Evergreen Politics: Comments http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/ Washington State politics and policy, from a progressive point of view en-us stellarinteriors@hotmail.com Copyright 2008 2008-12-18T13:24:40+00:00 hourly 1 2000-01-01T12:00+00:00 Nuttiest Letter to the Editor http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/2008/12/nuttiest-letter-to-the-editor.html#c142992680 Cripes, Nick, what are you smoking? Pass that over here. If anything abortion has been shown to do the opposite - to make the average child better. Try picking up a copy of Leavitt's _Freakonomics_, and read the chapter about abortion and its effect on crime. What's making the future so perilous is that idiots like Ms. Hite seem to think that the only lives worth defending are the ones still in the womb. Once they emerge, they're on their own. No education that's worth a damn unless their parents can afford private school, no health care for same, and no prospects when they get older adds up to no future. 142992680@http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/ Cujo359:

Cripes, Nick, what are you smoking? Pass that over here.

If anything abortion has been shown to do the opposite - to make the average child better. Try picking up a copy of Leavitt's _Freakonomics_, and read the chapter about abortion and its effect on crime.

What's making the future so perilous is that idiots like Ms. Hite seem to think that the only lives worth defending are the ones still in the womb. Once they emerge, they're on their own. No education that's worth a damn unless their parents can afford private school, no health care for same, and no prospects when they get older adds up to no future.

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2008-12-17T20:16:57+00:00
Nuttiest Letter to the Editor http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/2008/12/nuttiest-letter-to-the-editor.html#c142675262 She has a point, and if you're not seeing it maybe your comments belong in The Onion. 142675262@http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/ Nick:

She has a point, and if you're not seeing it maybe your comments belong in The Onion.

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2008-12-14T05:15:29+00:00
Fraud at the Port -- Definitions and Penalties http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/2008/12/fraud-at-the-port-definitions-and-penalties.html#c142448110 Mind if I make this really simple for the Port Of Seattle? If you work for a company, and you do something stupid, reckless, or unethical that gets the company sued, more than likely, you'll be fired. Why should it be different for a public agency? In short, it's not like getting a parking ticket. Most people don't get fired for that. Now, can we please get on with fixing this? 142448110@http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/ Cujo359:

Mind if I make this really simple for the Port Of Seattle? If you work for a company, and you do something stupid, reckless, or unethical that gets the company sued, more than likely, you'll be fired. Why should it be different for a public agency?

In short, it's not like getting a parking ticket. Most people don't get fired for that.

Now, can we please get on with fixing this?

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2008-12-12T02:10:41+00:00
It's Official: Port of Seattle Committed Fraud http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/2008/12/its-official-port-of-seattle-committed-fraud.html#c142052674 Unfortunately, shoephone, you may be right. I think that people like Ted Stevens, who profit from their positions, must be prosecuted. Others, well, tell me the circumstances, but if they enable such things be deliberately ignoring their obligations, they need to be fired at the least. I think Tay Yoshitani is just trying to take the easy way out. 142052674@http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/ Cujo359:

Unfortunately, shoephone, you may be right. I think that people like Ted Stevens, who profit from their positions, must be prosecuted. Others, well, tell me the circumstances, but if they enable such things be deliberately ignoring their obligations, they need to be fired at the least.

I think Tay Yoshitani is just trying to take the easy way out.

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2008-12-09T01:44:31+00:00
It's Official: Port of Seattle Committed Fraud http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/2008/12/its-official-port-of-seattle-committed-fraud.html#c142049504 I commiserate on the embed thing, Cujo. Unfortunately, I'm not the "technician" around here... I note that the PI's most current article quotes both Lloyd Hara and John Creighton as supporting outright termination for the fraudsters (as do I). I agree with them that resignation lets those people off without having to face the music. If Rothnie did what McKay's report alludes to then he belongs in jail. After the past eight years of corruptions planned and carried out by Abramoffs, Cunninghams, Doolittles, Jeffersons, Stevenses and the criminal enterprise we call Halliburton, I've become a real hard ass: I'm just not willing to tolerate anymore corruption from public employees, whether they be at the top or the bottom of the government food chain. And local officials are the easiest to hold accountable, if only we will do it. Mic Dinsmore helped create the mess of corruption and malfeasance at the Port. Now that he is gone, those who helped him commit those acts need to feel some serious heat. Otherwise, there will be absolutely no public confidence in the ability of the Port CEO and commisioners to ever truly hold anyone accountable for any such acts in the future. I believe the taxpayers of this city are unwilling to negotiate with those who play fast and loose with their money. But like I said, I'm just a hard ass about this issue. 142049504@http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/ shoephone:

I commiserate on the embed thing, Cujo. Unfortunately, I'm not the "technician" around here...

I note that the PI's most current article quotes both Lloyd Hara and John Creighton as supporting outright termination for the fraudsters (as do I). I agree with them that resignation lets those people off without having to face the music.

If Rothnie did what McKay's report alludes to then he belongs in jail. After the past eight years of corruptions planned and carried out by Abramoffs, Cunninghams, Doolittles, Jeffersons, Stevenses and the criminal enterprise we call Halliburton, I've become a real hard ass: I'm just not willing to tolerate anymore corruption from public employees, whether they be at the top or the bottom of the government food chain. And local officials are the easiest to hold accountable, if only we will do it. Mic Dinsmore helped create the mess of corruption and malfeasance at the Port. Now that he is gone, those who helped him commit those acts need to feel some serious heat. Otherwise, there will be absolutely no public confidence in the ability of the Port CEO and commisioners to ever truly hold anyone accountable for any such acts in the future.

I believe the taxpayers of this city are unwilling to negotiate with those who play fast and loose with their money.

But like I said, I'm just a hard ass about this issue.

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2008-12-09T00:20:27+00:00
It's Official: Port of Seattle Committed Fraud http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/2008/12/its-official-port-of-seattle-committed-fraud.html#c142048288 Perhaps he said "potentially terminated" because he knew they'd resign [1]. That article says that the report mentions ten Port employees who were involved in fraudulent activity. Could be that more will be resigning. I hate this comments thing. You can't embed links or add italics. [1] http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/391244_port09.html?source=mypi 142048288@http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/ Cujo359:

Perhaps he said "potentially terminated" because he knew they'd resign [1]. That article says that the report mentions ten Port employees who were involved in fraudulent activity. Could be that more will be resigning.

I hate this comments thing. You can't embed links or add italics.

[1] http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/391244_port09.html?source=mypi

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2008-12-08T23:50:06+00:00
Doug Sutherland's Last Act as Lands Commissioner: A Middle Finger to the Puget Sound http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/2008/12/doug-sutherlands-last-act-as-lands-commissioner-a-middle-finger-to-the-puget-sound.html#c141377522 Good riddance. I think it will be very interesting noting what a Lands Commissioner can do who really cares about the land. 141377522@http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/ Lynn Allen:

Good riddance. I think it will be very interesting noting what a Lands Commissioner can do who really cares about the land.

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2008-12-04T06:24:00+00:00
Doug Sutherland's Last Act as Lands Commissioner: A Middle Finger to the Puget Sound http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/2008/12/doug-sutherlands-last-act-as-lands-commissioner-a-middle-finger-to-the-puget-sound.html#c141377490 Good riddance. I think it will be very interesting noting what a Lands Commissioner can do who really cares about the land. 141377490@http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/ Lynn Allen:

Good riddance. I think it will be very interesting noting what a Lands Commissioner can do who really cares about the land.

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2008-12-04T06:23:45+00:00
Doug Sutherland's Last Act as Lands Commissioner: A Middle Finger to the Puget Sound http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/2008/12/doug-sutherlands-last-act-as-lands-commissioner-a-middle-finger-to-the-puget-sound.html#c141211048 It's amazing Sutherland's been the Lands Commissioner for eight years. The Puget Sound got much worse on his watch. While I'm sure there are other reasons, Sutherland certainly hasn't helped the problem any. 141211048@http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/ Cujo359:

It's amazing Sutherland's been the Lands Commissioner for eight years. The Puget Sound got much worse on his watch. While I'm sure there are other reasons, Sutherland certainly hasn't helped the problem any.

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2008-12-03T01:28:12+00:00
President-Elect Obama's Thanksgiving Day Address http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/2008/11/presidentelect-obamas-thanksgiving-day-address.html#c140895800 He may be Americas Worst nightmare an Uncle Tom for President. Are you kidding me!? The electors haven't even done their thing (Tuesday), and you're bitchin' because he hasn't addressed the "war started over oil." And if you're going to some racist bullshit to address Barack Obama's actions (or inaction as you see it), then at least use it in the proper context because otherwise you just appear fucking stupid. 140895800@http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/ Wordsmith:

He may be Americas Worst nightmare an Uncle Tom for President.

Are you kidding me!? The electors haven't even done their thing (Tuesday), and you're bitchin' because he hasn't addressed the "war started over oil."

And if you're going to some racist bullshit to address Barack Obama's actions (or inaction as you see it), then at least use it in the proper context because otherwise you just appear fucking stupid.


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2008-11-30T18:19:55+00:00
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2008-11-27T11:32:39+00:00
President-Elect Obama's Thanksgiving Day Address http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/2008/11/presidentelect-obamas-thanksgiving-day-address.html#c140646528 Barack obama sold many democrats with the idea of puilling out of a war started over oil. HE HAS NOT TRUELY ADDRESSED THIS ISSUE SINCE BEING ELECTED. He may be Americas Worst nightmare an Uncle Tom for President. 140646528@http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/ Barack obama sold many democrats with the idea of puilling out of a war started over oil. HE HAS NOT TRUELY ADDRESSED THIS ISSUE SINCE BEING ELECTED. He may be Americas Worst nightmare an Uncle Tom for President.

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2008-11-27T10:50:54+00:00
T-Minus 57 Days and Counting http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/2008/11/tminus-57-days-and-counting-.html#c140642274 Amen. The one potential good thing about this financial crisis is that we have a chance to unearth the stupid, greed-induced processes that have gotten built into our government at every level. I suspect that we could come close to balancing our budgets if we could root out and eliminate the hundreds (state-level) or tens of thousands (national-level) of financial handouts and/or tax benefits we have built in to protect or give favor to particular interest groups. I think mostly we are talking businesses here but who knows what is buried down there? 140642274@http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/ Lynn Allen:

Amen.

The one potential good thing about this financial crisis is that we have a chance to unearth the stupid, greed-induced processes that have gotten built into our government at every level.

I suspect that we could come close to balancing our budgets if we could root out and eliminate the hundreds (state-level) or tens of thousands (national-level) of financial handouts and/or tax benefits we have built in to protect or give favor to particular interest groups. I think mostly we are talking businesses here but who knows what is buried down there?

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2008-11-27T09:45:39+00:00
T-Minus 57 Days and Counting http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/2008/11/tminus-57-days-and-counting-.html#c140412958 "Of equal importance, Congress should turn from the self-serving protection of local NASA jobs to an ethic of responsible government that delivers results." Of more importance, I'd say. The idea that government projects should span as many congressional districts as possible to stay alive is probably as responsible as anything for the high cost of defense programs. So much time and money is spent flying people between offices where a program is administered, implemented, and tested that I'm amazed any projects ever get finished. Add to this the Congressional habit of keeping programs that aren't even wanted by DoD around (the V-22 comes to mind), that you have to wonder how much lower the research budget would be if Congress didn't use it as a way to please the folks back home. 140412958@http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/ Cujo359:

"Of equal importance, Congress should turn from the self-serving protection of local NASA jobs to an ethic of responsible government that delivers results."

Of more importance, I'd say. The idea that government projects should span as many congressional districts as possible to stay alive is probably as responsible as anything for the high cost of defense programs. So much time and money is spent flying people between offices where a program is administered, implemented, and tested that I'm amazed any projects ever get finished. Add to this the Congressional habit of keeping programs that aren't even wanted by DoD around (the V-22 comes to mind), that you have to wonder how much lower the research budget would be if Congress didn't use it as a way to please the folks back home.

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2008-11-25T12:34:12+00:00
The More We Trust the Obama Crowd, the More We Can Do Ourselves http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/2008/11/the-more-we-trust-the-obama-crowd-the-more-we-can-do-ourselves.html#c139923646 Securing the national borders is a job of the federal government, movie fan. If you want to complain about how that's being done, write to Congress or the President. Meanwhile, on the things she does have within her power, most Arizona residents I've observed like Napolitano. My guess is she'd do well at DHS, but I don't really have much to go on besides that. I think Ezra Klein is right about Daschle. That thought occured to me when I first heard about that appointment. Normally, you'd pick someone who has a background in public health for that position. If you hire a politician to do it, you probably mean to have him do politician's work, which is either about health care legislation, or something else Congress does that's related. I also don't have much of a problem with Eric Holder for AG, either. Since he's not an Obama acolyte, he might even be as independent of the President as the job requires. On the question of getting our attitudes on human rights back on track, though, I'm with shoephone. I don't see any commitment there. I also wonder about any process that wants to leave Joe Lieberman in a position where he can do as much damage to our security as he can as chair of the Homeland Security Committee. Obama could have let that one go by, but he chose to get involved on Lieberman's behalf. Whatever for? My expectations haven't risen much. Obama won't be as awful as McCain would have been as President. He might even get us out of Iraq in a few more years. Beyond that, though, I'm not all that optimistic. 139923646@http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/ Cujo359:

Securing the national borders is a job of the federal government, movie fan. If you want to complain about how that's being done, write to Congress or the President.

Meanwhile, on the things she does have within her power, most Arizona residents I've observed like Napolitano. My guess is she'd do well at DHS, but I don't really have much to go on besides that.

I think Ezra Klein is right about Daschle. That thought occured to me when I first heard about that appointment. Normally, you'd pick someone who has a background in public health for that position. If you hire a politician to do it, you probably mean to have him do politician's work, which is either about health care legislation, or something else Congress does that's related.

I also don't have much of a problem with Eric Holder for AG, either. Since he's not an Obama acolyte, he might even be as independent of the President as the job requires.

On the question of getting our attitudes on human rights back on track, though, I'm with shoephone. I don't see any commitment there. I also wonder about any process that wants to leave Joe Lieberman in a position where he can do as much damage to our security as he can as chair of the Homeland Security Committee. Obama could have let that one go by, but he chose to get involved on Lieberman's behalf. Whatever for?

My expectations haven't risen much. Obama won't be as awful as McCain would have been as President. He might even get us out of Iraq in a few more years. Beyond that, though, I'm not all that optimistic.

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2008-11-20T20:55:28+00:00
The More We Trust the Obama Crowd, the More We Can Do Ourselves http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/2008/11/the-more-we-trust-the-obama-crowd-the-more-we-can-do-ourselves.html#c139894268 if Napolitano’s years of experience neglecting to secure the Mexico-AZ border are any indication, then she’s on track to do a horrendous job securing the whole country 139894268@http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/ movie fan:

if Napolitano’s years of experience neglecting to secure the Mexico-AZ border are any indication, then she’s on track to do a horrendous job securing the whole country

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2008-11-20T15:41:11+00:00
The More We Trust the Obama Crowd, the More We Can Do Ourselves http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/2008/11/the-more-we-trust-the-obama-crowd-the-more-we-can-do-ourselves.html#c139849518 Joe Lieberman is incompetent, obstructionist and corrupt. Holding people like him accountable is crucial. If the big change we've been seeking is nothing more than a polite "change in tone" than we are in serious, serious trouble. 139849518@http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/ shoephone:

Joe Lieberman is incompetent, obstructionist and corrupt. Holding people like him accountable is crucial. If the big change we've been seeking is nothing more than a polite "change in tone" than we are in serious, serious trouble.

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2008-11-20T09:21:02+00:00
Lieberman the Traitor Survives http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/2008/11/lieberman-the-traitor-survives.html#c139731570 You and me both, Cujo. But sometimes it's a drag to be able to see the writing on the wall. The sad thing is that so many bloggers refuse to look reality in the face. The Democratic Congress of 2006-2008 let us down big time so it was not hard to imagine them rolling over one more time if asked to. But Obama is the one who engineered this capitulation w/ Lieberman. The order came from on high last week. But no one in the lefty blogoshpere wants to deal with that part of the story. It's so much easier to pretend that only the Senators are to blame. Neither you or I ever believed Obama was a savior and for that we are called negative. So be it. The writing was on the wall. Incidentally, your post the other day on John Brennan was excellent. Wonder how the bloggers will respond to his power plays as Obama's advisor. Well, we already saw how much Obama cared about preventing the odious, unconstitutional FISA bill from passing -- a piece of legislation that Brennan loved and supported. Such a bummer when those rose-colored glasses get crushed. 139731570@http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/ shoephone:

You and me both, Cujo. But sometimes it's a drag to be able to see the writing on the wall. The sad thing is that so many bloggers refuse to look reality in the face. The Democratic Congress of 2006-2008 let us down big time so it was not hard to imagine them rolling over one more time if asked to. But Obama is the one who engineered this capitulation w/ Lieberman. The order came from on high last week. But no one in the lefty blogoshpere wants to deal with that part of the story. It's so much easier to pretend that only the Senators are to blame. Neither you or I ever believed Obama was a savior and for that we are called negative. So be it. The writing was on the wall.

Incidentally, your post the other day on John Brennan was excellent. Wonder how the bloggers will respond to his power plays as Obama's advisor. Well, we already saw how much Obama cared about preventing the odious, unconstitutional FISA bill from passing -- a piece of legislation that Brennan loved and supported.

Such a bummer when those rose-colored glasses get crushed.

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2008-11-19T10:46:07+00:00
Lieberman the Traitor Survives http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/2008/11/lieberman-the-traitor-survives.html#c139670610 I'm not in the least bit surprised by any of this, including Murray's actions. I just wish I'd made some of the same bets Howie Klein made. [1] I know I could have found plenty of suckers from the group in this FDL thread. [2] Nearly every time I raise the blindingly obvious point that until the left is willing to do what it can, and really use its influence to help or hurt particular Democrats in Congress, nothing's going to change. Each time, I'm told I'm being negative, or worse. Yet, here we are, being urinated on by these pompous assholes yet again. [1] http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2008/11/big-winner-in-lieberman-charade-me-and.html [2] http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/lieberman-suck-on-that-liberals/ 139670610@http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/ Cujo359:

I'm not in the least bit surprised by any of this, including Murray's actions. I just wish I'd made some of the same bets Howie Klein made. [1] I know I could have found plenty of suckers from the group in this FDL thread. [2]

Nearly every time I raise the blindingly obvious point that until the left is willing to do what it can, and really use its influence to help or hurt particular Democrats in Congress, nothing's going to change. Each time, I'm told I'm being negative, or worse. Yet, here we are, being urinated on by these pompous assholes yet again.


[1] http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2008/11/big-winner-in-lieberman-charade-me-and.html

[2] http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/lieberman-suck-on-that-liberals/

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2008-11-19T00:05:01+00:00
Citizens Request Human Rights Commission in Snohomish County http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/2008/11/citizens-request-human-rights-commission-in-snohomish-county.html#c139503266 Ann, Indeed. I get the sense that we are more prepared to pitch in as citizens that we've been in a long, long time. I certainly hope so. 139503266@http://www.evergreenpolitics.com/ep/ Ann,

Indeed. I get the sense that we are more prepared to pitch in as citizens that we've been in a long, long time. I certainly hope so.

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2008-11-17T17:14:05+00:00